Disputatio Usoris:Laura1822

Benvenuta

Scusa molto l'italiano! Ti do un caldo benvenuto. Tu ti interessi di temi legati alla Chiesa Cattolica e ti voglio riferire del progetto che per molti aspetti è arretrato perchè in genere non è djvu e non ha il testo a fronte.

• Per gli atti pontifici le fonti sono gli Acta Sanctae Sedis e gli Acta Apostolicae Sedis
  • Scriptor:Pius IX, Scriptor:Leo XIII, Scriptor:Pius X, Scriptor:Benedictus XV, Scriptor:Pius XI.
• Per la Patrologia Latina del Migne si è arrivati al tomo 111, ma c'è tanto da riedere Il testo in .pdf lo puoi trovare

Migne1 Migne2 Migne3 mentre l'ocr lo si trova su Corpus Corporum Tutti gli autori della Patrologia latina sono già su Wikidata. Grazie Mizardellorsa (disputatio) 15:23, 20 Iulii 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your welcome. You have done a lot of work on these documents! Is there a Project Page which lists all of the documents with links, and their progress? Or a more general Project for Church documents? I would like to contribute in small ways. I need good instructions. Laura1822 (disputatio) 21:31, 22 Iulii 2023 (UTC)

Medieval orthogaphy

Hi Laura, I am strugling with some orthography in Foenix that you seem to have information or knowledge about, such as R struck through (which seems to be rum). Do you have a guide or book you use for these? JimKillock (disputatio) 20:37, 18 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

@JimKillock Yes! It's called Lexicon Abbreviaturarum and there are several copies on IA in Italian and German. There is also a "Community Texts" item that has this book included along with several other handy Latin abbreviation lists. When I search for the title at IA I get the zipped collection at the end of the list. Its IA identifier is:

CAPPELINVSAdrianusLexiconAbbreviaturarum1928

Hope you find these useful! Laura1822 (disputatio) 15:28, 19 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

Great :) BTW I have been setting up templates in Categoria:Formulae_litterarum to toggle these marks on and off. If you want to see an example, take a look at De Principe and the proofed pages in the book. The book contains all the abbreviations, while the mainspace book will show conventional Latin. At some point hopefully we will be able to switch on the toggle facility that EN WS has, meaning that users can choose either a modern or original version of the book. JimKillock (disputatio) 16:26, 19 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

Interesting. I did not know how the toggle works (or is supposed to work). I have been converting the abbreviations to standard Latin in my transcription of the 1495 book (only a few pages). I have been trying to weigh the best way to do it as there are not a lot of incunabula on WS. Laura1822 (disputatio) 18:02, 19 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

In order for me to use most of those templates, it would be really helpful to have very basic examples on the documentation pages, because I don't know what they are, and when I try to see "what links here," of course I get a page which has lots of templates.

Getting them into the code shortcuts box that shows on the editing page (along with all of the vowels with accents) would be really helpful too! (I know I can get them from the special character thing at the top--also that not everyone uses the same editor or the same layout, so "top" and "bottom" are probably useless, and perhaps the rest of this paragraph too.) Laura1822 (disputatio) 18:58, 19 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

For now, I have added a list of the short versions and what they reproduce to Categoria:Formulae litterarum. The idea is that the short versions are relatively readable when proofing. We can add more as we find new ones, they are very easy to create.

On the toggle, English Wikisource has a user preference to view long s. AIUI it would be the same here, but an administrator needs to agree to add the feature. There are probably other ways of making them appear, tho. JimKillock (disputatio) 11:06, 20 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for that table in the category! That will really help. There are several other templates there in the category that aren't in the table yet. Will you please add them too, and/or a column that shows the name of the template, like Etildam?

Did the book have the abbreviation you were looking for? Laura1822 (disputatio) 14:52, 20 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

I left out ones I have not created, or else are short cutted. E-tilda-m is the same as {{em}}; does that make sense? (I could add what short cuts what I guess) JimKillock (disputatio) 15:37, 20 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

I added those that have a long form version into the table JimKillock (disputatio) 15:42, 20 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

I was looking for an R with a line through it; and for some which are about per / pre; I found the latter I think but have not fully nailed it down yet. I thought I had seen you using a R-strike-through but maybe it was somewhere else. JimKillock (disputatio) 15:44, 20 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

There is a per one that is a p with a forward tail on it, which when combined with a u for a v makes perversi look like pueri:

Pagina:Arra aeternae salutis (1495) by Lambsheim.pdf/206

Verified by a modern transcription of medieval hymns.

Thank you again for the table! Laura1822 (disputatio) 12:56, 23 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

Got that one! {{per}}; the symbol being ꝑ. (see also Mufi web page); also I am adding {{par}}. JimKillock (disputatio) 16:22, 23 Iunii 2025 (UTC)